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even his call to repeal obama care is not particularly popular. given all that range of positions that he had to take in the primary and add to that being tarred with the brush of people like todd akin, chris co-back, and rush limbaugh and darrell issa. it's a huge problem dwroefr come. it's not easy to beat an incumbent president, and mitt romney is no ronald reagan or bill clinton. >> when you have an incumbent president with 8% unemployment, it's very difficult to win. romney has proven to be the worst candidate we've seen in perhaps 30, 40 years. i go back to steve's memory now when we get into 50, 60, 70 years. i agree with what's said including your points about mccain. if romney ran in '08 as he is now, obviously he did run in '08 and it didn't work out with him. one day we blame romney, and we've seen a lot of blame for romney throughout the campaign. one day blaming the polling and liberal media. i think that's a stretch. when do we look at the ideology and the difficult sell that is for the american people. when you have a party where th
even his call to repeal obama care is not particularly popular. given all that range of positions that he had to take in the primary and add to that being tarred with the brush of people like todd akin, chris co-back, and rush limbaugh and darrell issa. it's a huge problem dwroefr come. it's not easy to beat an incumbent president, and mitt romney is no ronald reagan or bill clinton. >> when you have an incumbent president with 8% unemployment, it's very difficult to win. romney has...
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on the other hand it turns out that voters like barack obama. swing state voters like barack obama. they may have questions about the economy, but it really is turning out to be a surprise election because i think that the base and more than the base, is anxious to turn out for barack obama. >> there is sort of a hidden truth beneath this conspiracy talk and that is that most polls are prediction about who will turn out. and a lot of the models predict that obama coalition that turned out last time that tilted in some ways more democratic and in some ways more young, will turn out again. that's based on data itself and it interesting a lot of independent pollsters have come to that conclusion. is there any point hidden in here or just really a bankrupt talking point? >> it's not a prediction. they're asking people are you going to vote and they're saying yes. are you a republican or democrat, that shifts around based on how people are feeling and vote for. but i think one of the things you're seeing in these polls and this story about polling is what you guys said before about havin
on the other hand it turns out that voters like barack obama. swing state voters like barack obama. they may have questions about the economy, but it really is turning out to be a surprise election because i think that the base and more than the base, is anxious to turn out for barack obama. >> there is sort of a hidden truth beneath this conspiracy talk and that is that most polls are prediction about who will turn out. and a lot of the models predict that obama coalition that turned out...
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they say the poll show obama leading by more than think he is. it's not they're saying the polls are wrong. when every national poll -- i don't think we can say -- when fox news' poll shows obama ahead in a bunch of swing states recently, i don't think we can say the polls are wrong and biased because fox news conservative leading. they show what the polls are showing as well. the president has a strong lead. pollsters have a strong incentive to have their polls be accurate, because that's what their profession is. i'm skeptical they're tries to missample people. the finding more democrats are anyway poll, when a democratic candidate is popular, more people call themselves democrats. that doesn't mean the poll is wrong. more people call themselves democrats than they might have been four or five weeks ago. >> let me bring in mark mckinnon. we'll bring you into this conversation. i want to start with something that newt gingrich said this morning on "morning joe." mark, let me play that. >> everybody i talk to agrees he's had two and a half very t
they say the poll show obama leading by more than think he is. it's not they're saying the polls are wrong. when every national poll -- i don't think we can say -- when fox news' poll shows obama ahead in a bunch of swing states recently, i don't think we can say the polls are wrong and biased because fox news conservative leading. they show what the polls are showing as well. the president has a strong lead. pollsters have a strong incentive to have their polls be accurate, because that's what...
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he'll say obama is not running again bush. get obama to pass the buck on the tough kmeeconomic recovery land his sunday punch. i suppose president obama knows this is all coming and is preparing to do with it. a month ago all romney had to say was obama has done his best, got his stimulus, his health care program and here we are. i think that might have nailed it a month ago. but something's changed. it could be something as definite ace bill clinton's speech. that's romney's problem and it's a big one. "the ed show" with ed schultz starts right now. >> good evening americans. welcome to "the ed show" from new york. 39 days until the 2012 election and five days until the first presidential debate. voter fraud is alive and healthy. tonight we rip the cover off the growing rnc voter suppression scandal. it's there. this is "the ed show," let's get to work. >> mitt romney and the rn
he'll say obama is not running again bush. get obama to pass the buck on the tough kmeeconomic recovery land his sunday punch. i suppose president obama knows this is all coming and is preparing to do with it. a month ago all romney had to say was obama has done his best, got his stimulus, his health care program and here we are. i think that might have nailed it a month ago. but something's changed. it could be something as definite ace bill clinton's speech. that's romney's problem and it's a...
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they are obama supporters. let's listen. >> there are these brand-new super [ bleep ] up law as a way to prevent voter fraud but is designed to make it harder for people to vote. black people, elderly people, poor people, and students. i wonder what those demographics have in common? oh, yeah, they are probably going to vote for this guy. >> well, sometimes i think she is so great, joel and li sdplchlt z, i always wonder, is that really the person that was born or did she develop that wonderful personality of her? she makes the point, though, it is partisan. >> i tell you, that is who she is and she and i are doing a video together that we're taping next week so you can look for that, chris. because we're as thick as thieves. >> good connection. joel, your thought about this. is it all one way? first of all, i think it's voter suppression, mainly to keep out minorities. is it all true that you've got to get -- are the republicans doing anything like this to get their team out, the romney people out? >> you have
they are obama supporters. let's listen. >> there are these brand-new super [ bleep ] up law as a way to prevent voter fraud but is designed to make it harder for people to vote. black people, elderly people, poor people, and students. i wonder what those demographics have in common? oh, yeah, they are probably going to vote for this guy. >> well, sometimes i think she is so great, joel and li sdplchlt z, i always wonder, is that really the person that was born or did she develop...
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in 2008 we were at war, and barack obama and john mccain fought it out every day in that war. this week when the financial crisis was absolutely on fire, at that debate, they were talking about the wars. this year, president obama does bring it up, he does bring it up at most of his stump speeches, how he explains what he has done and planning on doing talking about the two wars. he doesn't have to say much more because he's speaking to an empty room. the romney campaign has no identifiable position on afghanistan. they have been unwilling and unable to hold up that side of debate and so regardless of what it means for the candidates as a country we are deprived of a national discussion about a war we are in. 70,000 american families having skin in the game right now. we have -- that's part of the reason i'm looking forward to the debates. some ways sort of a post-policy campaign. and you can't do that in a debate, at least unless the debate is really bad. >> this is -- this is billed as a domestic policy debate, but -- and there are so many ways this is also domestic policy,
in 2008 we were at war, and barack obama and john mccain fought it out every day in that war. this week when the financial crisis was absolutely on fire, at that debate, they were talking about the wars. this year, president obama does bring it up, he does bring it up at most of his stump speeches, how he explains what he has done and planning on doing talking about the two wars. he doesn't have to say much more because he's speaking to an empty room. the romney campaign has no identifiable...
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better than barack obama. i mean, barack obama's speech w was -- i thought he delivered it very well but bill clinton was a country lawyer and he -- >> it could explain. >> he went item by item and blew up romney's arguments and built up barack obama's arguments. >> bill clinton heads to new hampshire next week to campaign for the president because he is that useful. what do you think, mr. speaker of mr. mitt romney's chances as things stand right now? how do you feel about it? >> i think he has to have a very strong debate. i think they're whistling past the grave yard. >> is that another way of saying he is not doing so well right now? >> sure. i think everybody i talk to agrees he's had two and a half very tough weeks. and i do agree. i think they started with the clinton speech and then they got compounded by all of the stuff that happened. on the other hand, where i think i would disagree and go back to my partisan roots is clinton really described a terrific obama if only he existed. >> right. >> but the
better than barack obama. i mean, barack obama's speech w was -- i thought he delivered it very well but bill clinton was a country lawyer and he -- >> it could explain. >> he went item by item and blew up romney's arguments and built up barack obama's arguments. >> bill clinton heads to new hampshire next week to campaign for the president because he is that useful. what do you think, mr. speaker of mr. mitt romney's chances as things stand right now? how do you feel about...